tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20899739728872632972024-03-13T19:06:59.822-07:00An LDS Guide to MesoamericaBook of Mormon, archaeology, Mesoamerica, Mexico, Guatemala, Maya, Olmec, ruins, Ancient America, travel, guide, evidenceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-59493054917768298702024-01-04T19:40:00.000-08:002024-03-13T19:06:27.992-07:00Jewish temples outside of Jerusalem?<div style="text-align: left;">One criticism of the Book of Mormon is the idea that faithful Jews would build a temple anywhere outside of the temple mount in Jerusalem. As we know, Nephi states that he <span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"...did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land..."</span> (2 Ne 5:16). As a faithful, observant Jew (although not of Judah), would Nephi have dared to build a temple in another land, which was specifically forbidden by Deuteronomic law? Why would he think he had the authority to do so?</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdh309amzd0yPu0YVUAtwd4NNiajxXY_t85BbL3IoPnQvxvohS7N9sSV1YlVHtvnleN36gTjVpiwJZ4FwW19zWAgPESfgFMRlAHRSXTZVJ3yvm7EvFJX0B9MJyN8lIj3DbjRzoaidbisxJj_82NrGer72quBftVL6Qqh_XyDNdCgeNp5ykiP-L_RBeqfc6/s1521/bible-archeology-Elephantine-Egyptian-papyrus-letters-Bagohi-governor-Judea-Sanballat-governor-Samaria-Delaiah-Shelemiah-Arsames-Vidranga-rebuild-YHWH-temple-site-plan-536-410BC.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="905" data-original-width="1521" height="119" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdh309amzd0yPu0YVUAtwd4NNiajxXY_t85BbL3IoPnQvxvohS7N9sSV1YlVHtvnleN36gTjVpiwJZ4FwW19zWAgPESfgFMRlAHRSXTZVJ3yvm7EvFJX0B9MJyN8lIj3DbjRzoaidbisxJj_82NrGer72quBftVL6Qqh_XyDNdCgeNp5ykiP-L_RBeqfc6/w200-h119/bible-archeology-Elephantine-Egyptian-papyrus-letters-Bagohi-governor-Judea-Sanballat-governor-Samaria-Delaiah-Shelemiah-Arsames-Vidranga-rebuild-YHWH-temple-site-plan-536-410BC.jpg" width="200" /></a></div>While we don't have proof of Nephi's temple, there is actually uncontested evidence for Israelite temples outside of Jerusalem. The best-known example is one in Egypt, on the island of Elephantine on the Nile River. Papyrus documents and ostraca (pottery shards inscribed with writing) show a Jewish presence on the island as early as the 7th century BC. They apparently were Judean mercenaries that guarded the border between Egypt and Nubia. Based on these ancient documents, this Jewish community may have been polytheistic and surprisingly enough, they were not aware of the Torah or many of the accounts it contains. This could possibly explain the additional worship of other local deities, along with Yahweh (Jehovah). It is also somewhat similar to the account of the people of Zarahemla in the Book of Mormon, who had brought no scriptures with them and had lost their religion.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc2EhT-7XXg_wFMTcVYqc8MeuiysrteWCXq0JJAMNwPBtcriy4FvKFs9fjO3LgolxHjt5Zm6oa9euHwWog61lyfwdQsObOcNErdXTZgmYqTk3SZzeWRt9U9lvr8iX4NkdTDvKgSh16Lgq0bqbOfUmeAVByB6oVIQimfwgRDnx3bNRTkER83bB-a-jZW4K5/s1280/1280px-Elephantine_Temple_reconstruction_request.gif" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="888" data-original-width="1280" height="139" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhc2EhT-7XXg_wFMTcVYqc8MeuiysrteWCXq0JJAMNwPBtcriy4FvKFs9fjO3LgolxHjt5Zm6oa9euHwWog61lyfwdQsObOcNErdXTZgmYqTk3SZzeWRt9U9lvr8iX4NkdTDvKgSh16Lgq0bqbOfUmeAVByB6oVIQimfwgRDnx3bNRTkER83bB-a-jZW4K5/w200-h139/1280px-Elephantine_Temple_reconstruction_request.gif" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Letter asking for help in <br />rebuilding the temple</td></tr></tbody></table>The Elephantine Jews referred to their small temple as <span style="color: #660000;">בֵּית יהוה Bēt YHWH</span> (House of the Lord), just like Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. It was originally built between the 7th and 6th centuries BC and had altars for incense offerings and sacrifices. Serving the religious needs of this little community, it may also have been built as a reaction to the pagan worship instituted by King Manasseh in Jerusalem. Its construction appears to resemble a permanent version of Moses' tabernacle, although it is only known through the accounts found on the Elephantine papyri. The temple was damaged at least once as evidenced by a letter written in Aramaic found in the Elephantine papyri sent by the Jews there to the high priest in Jerusalem, asking for support in rebuilding it. They also sent similar letters to local governors. The letter is dated to 407 BC and contains the following passage: <span style="font-family: verdana;">"<span style="color: #660000;">We have also sent a letter before now, when this evil was done to us, to our lord and to the high priest Johanan and his colleagues the priests in Jerusalem and to Ostanes the brother of Anani and the nobles of the Jews, Never a letter have they sent to us."</span></span> </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">It is not known whether this temple was built before or after the destruction of Jerusalem that Lehi and his group escaped. The original Jerusalem temple was pillaged and destroyed shortly afterward in 587 BC by the Babylonians. Some surviving refugees may have fled to Elephantine, especially if there was another temple there. Sometime in the 3rd century BC, this satellite temple was also abandoned and destroyed, replaced by a temple to the Egyptian god Khnum.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWMwH0gd87E5qRkesKo7FARQeKs7cBqj-USDxbvgicdSrTqRe87nSSilsA1lVeDmvPsKraObmp2UOv7n5WIb0I5kBPO0tyI45TnPyoDIMiT3J8if-2DKP3P8AZUtMX4Blj8DQ-sw1sdefD3GZKRFA8B65kcfh6XebX5CHGssS4uIsK41glZ0By6klUAOUG/s1067/800px-Arad_Debir_2.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1067" data-original-width="800" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWMwH0gd87E5qRkesKo7FARQeKs7cBqj-USDxbvgicdSrTqRe87nSSilsA1lVeDmvPsKraObmp2UOv7n5WIb0I5kBPO0tyI45TnPyoDIMiT3J8if-2DKP3P8AZUtMX4Blj8DQ-sw1sdefD3GZKRFA8B65kcfh6XebX5CHGssS4uIsK41glZ0By6klUAOUG/w150-h200/800px-Arad_Debir_2.jpg" width="150" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Holy of holies in the<br />Tel Arad temple</td></tr></tbody></table>Another Jewish temple is found at Tel Arad, near the modern Israeli city of Arad in the Negev Desert. Ostraca at the site written in Paleo Hebrew also identify it as <span style="color: #660000;">בֵּית יהוה Bēt YHWH</span> (House of the Lord). Its construction dates back to 950 BC, making its use concurrent with Solomon's temple. Its design included an outer court with an altar, a holy place, and a holy of holies.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />Yet another temple outside of Jerusalem is mentioned by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. It was built in 170 BC by a high priest, Onias ben-Shimon (son of Simon) in the Egyptian city of Leontopolis of the district Heliopolis. It is described as a copy of the temple at Jerusalem, although smaller and less elaborate. Sacrifices were performed there, however, it is still debated as to whether they were valid (halachic) or if this was part of an idolatrous cult. This temple is referred to as Bēt Honio (or Chonyo), the 'House of Onias.'</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">With these examples in mind, it is easy to understand why Nephi felt justified in building a temple in the Promised Land to which he and his people had been led. Even though it was not built on Jerusalem's Mount Moriah and did not contain the holy temple artifacts found within Solomon's temple, the Nephites continued to obey the law of Moses with all its required sacrifices where they had settled. Since there were no Levites mentioned in Lehi's group, the authority for any ordinances practiced within would have been under the Melchizedek priesthood. The Book of Mormon later gives an account of a temple in the land of Zarahemla and again later in Bountiful, when the resurrected Savior appeared. Wherever the Lord's people end up, they feel compelled to build a temple to his name in which to worship. This pattern is as true today as it was anciently.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Was-there-a-Jewish-temple-in-ancient-Egypt-318363" target="_blank">Click here to read more about the Elephantine temple</a>.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://madainproject.com/tel_arad_temple" target="_blank">Click here to read more about the Tel Arad temple</a>.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/onias-temple-of" target="_blank">Click here to read more about Onias' temple in Leontopolis</a>.</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-7896412933942631642023-12-27T19:18:00.000-08:002024-01-04T19:31:43.029-08:00Mysterious skulls may hold a secret<div style="text-align: left;">We're not saying it's aliens, but...</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />You may have heard that before. What is still known as the History channel (for some reason) has lots of shows dealing with the concept of ancient aliens and the like. It should go without saying that most archaeologists hate this theory, but they also reject much of what we suggest concerning the Book of Mormon and ancient history. It may be useful at times to see what is happening in the fringe areas of pseudoscience. Oddly enough, sometimes the Book of Mormon or other experiences of Joseph Smith are mentioned on these programs. They do at times find anomalies like advanced cultural artifacts, lost civilizations, ties to the Old World, or even writing on metal plates. While their standard answer is often aliens, we may have a more plausible explanation. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />There are a number of unusual skulls that have been excavated from ancient burial sites in the Americas. It is well known that for some reason, both Old and New World peoples with no apparent ties practiced cranial deformation to elongate their skulls, starting with infants. Some ancient American skulls look so unusual that again the alien hypothesis is brought up. Recently, DNA studies gave some surprising results and have raised questions about how the Americas were populated in antiquity.<br />In 2014, DNA tests were performed on 2000-3000-year-old skulls found in Peru. Hundreds were found in Paracas by a Peruvian archaeologist in the 1920s. The initial results found mitochondrial DNA “with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known." To get a better idea of what was really happening with these ancient skulls, a second round of DNA tests was undertaken. Samples of hair and bone powder were taken and sent to three labs in Canada and two in the US. Geneticist at these labs were told that the samples were from ancient mummies, but the origins were not given. This nod to blind testing is commendable, as it avoids preconceptions that could influence the results or how they are interpreted.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />The second set of tests were performed in 2016, with the results showing European and Middle Eastern Origins. Not surprisingly, not much more attention is given to these revolutionary findings. They are often explained away if not ignored outright. However, if true, it would mean that the accepted population history of Ancient America would need some serious re-evaluation. Scientists have always been reluctant to do so, even though some claim they are open to the question. On the subject, once scientist has commented, <span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"It is of course possible that genetic evidence of an ancient trans-Atlantic migration event simply has not been found yet. Should credible evidence of direct gene flow from an ancient Solutrean (or Middle Eastern) population be found within ancient Native American genomes, it would require the field to reassess the “Beringian only” model of prehistoric Native American migration. However, no such evidence has been found, and the Beringian migration model remains the best interpretation of the genetic, archaeological, and paleoclimate data to date."</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span>As we question the standard historical answer of how the Americas were populated, we need to keep these issues in mind. Often, controversial claims regarding DNA are hard to understand by non-geneticists. But the genetic record in the Americas was drastically altered after the European conquest, sometimes through violence, but more often through disease. According to lead researcher Antonio Salas of the University of Santiago de Compostela, <span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">“Up to 90% of native South Americans died very quickly...You can imagine that a lot of genetic diversity was lost as well.”</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.alphabiolabs.co.uk/blog/alien-skulls-dna-tested/" target="_blank">Click here to read about the DNA results.</a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://violentmetaphors.com/tag/ancient-dna/" target="_blank">Click here to read a reaction to pseudoscientific claims.</a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href=" https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/nov/15/sacrificed-incan-boy-genome-lineage-diversity" target="_blank">Click here to read about the impact on genetic history in South America.</a></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-38416500283016837912023-08-10T16:21:00.001-07:002024-01-04T19:29:41.022-08:00'Elephants' in America?<div style="text-align: left;">One of the more outlandish claims of the Book of Ether is that there were elephants in the promised land. While we know that wooly mammoths and similar animals lived in the Northern Hemisphere during the last Ice Age, the question is how long they survived before becoming extinct. If there were remnant mammoth populations in the Americas during Jaredite times, this could be a good explanation for the 'elephants' mentioned in Ether 9:19.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br />Surprisingly, small populations of mammoths survived until relatively modern times. It is now accepted that a group of mammoths were still living on a remote Russian island in 1650 BC. This is pretty much what we understand to be at the start of the Jaredite time period as depicted in the Book of Mormon. Could there have been other groups still on the American mainland, and perhaps even as far south as Central America at that time? This is a controversial suggestion, but various explorers in the Americas have described seeing what could only be understood as mammoths, even as recently as the 19th century. Some of their accounts are reproduced in this video. </div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/q0TC02SfUvs" width="320" youtube-src-id="q0TC02SfUvs"></iframe></div><br /> <p></p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-19565530104598135782023-07-12T16:31:00.017-07:002023-07-12T17:50:28.514-07:00Bearded Maya Deities<div style="text-align: left;">We have written before about bearded individuals depicted in Maya art. This is quite rare, as the native Maya did not generally grow beards, and according to some Spanish accounts, they did all they could to prevent facial hair from growing. Obviously, bearded figures stand out as notable, often seen on kings and gods. One of Palenque's founding kings is shown with a beard. Kings at Copán and Quiriguá had themselves depicted on monuments with false beards, much as ancient Pharaohs in Egypt did.</div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYJM3rVgyR4ov8app0z0qJJRxBi5cMRuEdYSXYMTf9mXRBlZQm3Y29oMxv6amou-CI-0MHL0xsNLIE84ODsoKTaCCdYS0WVI4Yz2dz5dSYOIvtFQ7wWQlKYijuW-oLvmQPWqNhRGC3Qd3WFXiyYcMBK2Hr8JDQUJ6LgdD0_VwD1W5zScvzRDaW0q1BJbNK/s987/SG-1.gif" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="987" data-original-width="941" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYJM3rVgyR4ov8app0z0qJJRxBi5cMRuEdYSXYMTf9mXRBlZQm3Y29oMxv6amou-CI-0MHL0xsNLIE84ODsoKTaCCdYS0WVI4Yz2dz5dSYOIvtFQ7wWQlKYijuW-oLvmQPWqNhRGC3Qd3WFXiyYcMBK2Hr8JDQUJ6LgdD0_VwD1W5zScvzRDaW0q1BJbNK/w191-h200/SG-1.gif" width="191" /></a></div>One figure often depicted this way was the Maya sun god. This detail from a mural at Xelhá shows the sun god with a floral breath scroll emanating from his mouth. Flowers and jade appear as Classic-era symbols.<p></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdNRVOGkk_bxYbiauCqpzzN8BfibWwrgMoLbUDZumEfaj2OMlJgZzNDW8xExNJJkcVVEhv8LSDit5jOdNLiY9K_cWpqFRpNQ7eA1aCDhlkoOpbtWFNAQ5cBOHbCDyFzKwiOH9Rbjwj17pNZF-FFPLpiZhIv5Pc6KV_Kl_tD6ehYEdfhGJP3HW1aO1J-B4P/s987/QC.gif" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="987" data-original-width="941" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdNRVOGkk_bxYbiauCqpzzN8BfibWwrgMoLbUDZumEfaj2OMlJgZzNDW8xExNJJkcVVEhv8LSDit5jOdNLiY9K_cWpqFRpNQ7eA1aCDhlkoOpbtWFNAQ5cBOHbCDyFzKwiOH9Rbjwj17pNZF-FFPLpiZhIv5Pc6KV_Kl_tD6ehYEdfhGJP3HW1aO1J-B4P/w191-h200/QC.gif" width="191" /></a></div>We all know about legends regarding Quetzalcoatl. Without diving into questionable interpretations or connections, we still find this character to be noteworthy, whether as a conquering hero or as a god. This bearded depiction of Quetzalcoatl is found in the Codex Telleriano-Remensis. Notice the serpent earspool. Among the Aztecs, these items were part of the regalia of deity. These items were derived from more ancient Mesoamerican imagery of flowers as caves or portals. <div><br /><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj28IswGdFHTXkxbWfkDY23mMFPHJm4XUH7M1Rs3onk4aSrfFdT2xCA3aJXrN0oRMHVxsRWPOd9VdcxA1IrcGWq30XvVb8ybfdpt74f8_bBhcl1-VmXdrejbJSWbLS_b8DC1-4-IthmXx5I_pFn7vaFhRr7vIlRTusH5Y_eEvqAwRkaykPlgXb7wg9qxsMl/s987/SG-2.gif" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="987" data-original-width="941" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj28IswGdFHTXkxbWfkDY23mMFPHJm4XUH7M1Rs3onk4aSrfFdT2xCA3aJXrN0oRMHVxsRWPOd9VdcxA1IrcGWq30XvVb8ybfdpt74f8_bBhcl1-VmXdrejbJSWbLS_b8DC1-4-IthmXx5I_pFn7vaFhRr7vIlRTusH5Y_eEvqAwRkaykPlgXb7wg9qxsMl/w191-h200/SG-2.gif" width="191" /></a></div>While Quetzalcoatl is the Nahuatl name for an Aztec deity, the sun god mentioned here is from Maya belief. He is often shown holding shield and a lance and also became associated with war. By the late Postclassic era, his visual traits include a beard and fangs. This image is from the Madrid Codex. Sometimes, beards are shown on images depicting old men.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxheagyXoHECqr3e_XlfyabvIAmefekvZnqoi8sBrXcys-77o_1EKbwzptiSuOwZFgMxmhN2DBVlMj6MR9N1fIdYq79P9hxtv3B1EYAJNn-9GOFSumQGWEr1b4Uakrz4xdyFb_gZImdD5q5y_RmXBLrFVFOnn4yqPbgZeDwATGMGVgIt5ts27C722mdAFT/s901/SG-3.gif" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="901" data-original-width="471" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxheagyXoHECqr3e_XlfyabvIAmefekvZnqoi8sBrXcys-77o_1EKbwzptiSuOwZFgMxmhN2DBVlMj6MR9N1fIdYq79P9hxtv3B1EYAJNn-9GOFSumQGWEr1b4Uakrz4xdyFb_gZImdD5q5y_RmXBLrFVFOnn4yqPbgZeDwATGMGVgIt5ts27C722mdAFT/w104-h200/SG-3.gif" width="104" /></a></div>Another image of the sun god is on the wooden handle of a sacrificial knife. This instance shows a him in the guise of a diving or descending god, which is a symbol particular to the Yucatán Peninsula. Some of the best known examples are found at Tulum and Cobá. This deity is often associated with the god of bees. The Maya honeybee symbolized a link to the spirit world. This particular image shows iconography on the band of his headdress that combines the solar k'in glyph for day and a floral sign. A turquoise mask, supposedly from Chiapas, Mexico, depicts the sun god with inlaid jaguar fangs. It originally also had a beard and brow made from human hair. </div><div><br /></div><div>Among the ancient Maya, flowers were closely related with the sun. In Mesoamerica, the sun was portrayed as a bellicose being ruling the afterlife, a floral realm for the brave and virtuous. Flowers symbolized the paradise of the sun, which contained not only flowers, but also precious birds and polished stones. The Aztec solar celestial paradise was where the honored dead became birds and butterflies. Some of this symbolism can be traced back to Teotihuacán, where plumed serpents emerge from giant flowers. The Aztecs placed this realm in the east, which was also the domain of plumed serpents. The feathered serpent is the major symbol of Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkán, his Maya counterpart. Quetzalcoatl has many connections to the east, the dawn, and the Morning Star.</div></div><div><br /></div><div>We aren't making direct connections here, but feel that bearded figures are interesting and we aren't the only ones that see possible connections to Old World cultures. Some of the symbolism covered here spans a broad range of time periods and cultures, from Central Mexico to Guatemala and the Yucatán. Some important initial teachings may have been the source of beliefs that have had such a widespread impact.</div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Much of this content and imagery was taken from </i>At Dawn’s Edge: Tulúm, Santa Rita, and Floral Symbolism in the International Style of Late Postclassic Mesoamerica<i> by Karl Taube.</i></span></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-44301200477174530912022-05-29T00:05:00.047-07:002022-05-29T20:36:50.266-07:00Delving deeper into the Blythe Intaglios<div style="text-align: left;">Sharing the previous post generated a lot of pushback, surprisingly from a Facebook group on the Book of Mormon and archaeology. The suggestion that this particular figure of the geoglyphs in the southern California desert known today as the Blythe Intaglios could possibly be a horse was met primarily with criticism. The common answer was that it was a mountain lion and could not be a horse. Why would an animal design like this be identified with a predator like a puma or cougar and not some prey animal more closely resembling its actual shape?</div><p></p><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip0PPjYqt52yW7sst9pgGgCg8OLNb7Hc1wgOMNhTX9AZBi-uw0CEa-LoTGHiXX3_CE1RgT-cQxmSwS1VECWFSGbMKAqk5TU3S8LUFeZPlYdSR0JNSC1hylnRdF4czzwaSH69h-AXQHGHChigzD_ktbe41Kj8j7NpDlTIxXttGyG_rewxNiwKctg7z63g/s746/282791345_10159839663538516_2511817660618088146_n.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="540" data-original-width="746" height="145" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip0PPjYqt52yW7sst9pgGgCg8OLNb7Hc1wgOMNhTX9AZBi-uw0CEa-LoTGHiXX3_CE1RgT-cQxmSwS1VECWFSGbMKAqk5TU3S8LUFeZPlYdSR0JNSC1hylnRdF4czzwaSH69h-AXQHGHChigzD_ktbe41Kj8j7NpDlTIxXttGyG_rewxNiwKctg7z63g/w200-h145/282791345_10159839663538516_2511817660618088146_n.jpg" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">the other Blythe Intaglios Quadruped</td></tr></tbody></table><div style="text-align: left;">The prevailing interpretation is that the humanoid figure is Mastamho, the creator of life. He had a companion and helper known as Hatakulya, a mountain lion. Some legends say that Hatakulya could also transform into a man. Other legends state that there were two mountain lions: Hatakulya and Numeta. Hatakulya has a tail that hangs down and Numeta has one that goes up over his back. If this interpretation is correct, then both quadrupeds would have to represent Hatakulya. These creation stories come from the Mohave and Quechan tribes that live in the region today.</div><p></p><div style="text-align: left;">This is the most common interpretation of these giant images, but in searching websites that explain or describe the Blythe Intaglios, most appear to have copied their text from the same source, as they all say the same thing. The quadrupeds are often described in scientific literature as 'mountain lion-like.' This is odd, because even if they do represent such an animal, they certainly do not look like mountain lions. This connection relies considerably on ethnographer Boma Johnson's work (1985, 2003). We can find no additional support for this idea; all later interpretations appear to be using Johnson's work as their reference. The human and animal figures are closely grouped together as though they had a symbolic connection. Each human/animal pair is traditionally identified as Mastamho and Hatakulya respectively, but since Hatakulya is a mountain lion that can transform into a man, perhaps each set represents both aspects of one being. Based on the accepted iconography, neither of the animals can be Numeta. A third humanoid is nearby, but without an accompanying animal. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.legendsofamerica.com/" target="_blank">LegendsofAmerica.com</a> has a page on the Blythe Intaglios and repeats the same story as all the rest do, but also suggests that the figures instead may represent powerful individuals in a clan interacting with their surroundings. It also includes the observation that <span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"Part of the dating problem is that the animal figures appear to be horses. If so, they must have been carved either before American horses went extinct some 10,000 years ago or more recently after the Spaniards arrived in California in 1540.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"Another theory holds that some modern horses did exist in North America before the Spaniards, but were regarded as food sources rather than bests [sic] of burden."</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;">Our point is that it really is not clear what these figures were originally created to represent. Since no Native American group in the region claims to have made them, it is reasonable to look at alternative interpretations. We have seen several possibilities. The problem is, as LegendsofAmerica states, the animal figures (particularly one of them) <i>appear to be </i>horses. The two quadrupeds are not identical; they have some differing details, such as head shape, neck length, and suggestion of paws (or hooves) at the feet, one looking more horse-like than the other. We aren't stating definitively that they are horses, just that this idea is something to consider. We aren't the first to suggest this. They may be the mountain lion(s) that assisted in the creation, but if they are, we must ask why the people who made them did not make them look more like predators instead of prey animals, since ancient cultures in this region (and even worldwide) were certainly adept at doing that. Regardless of what the giant figures may represent or the role they played in their original culture, without the pre-conceived idea that they are mountain lions in a specific creation story, any untrained observer would classify them as some sort of large prey animal, likely an ungulate. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://www.legendsofamerica.com/blythe-intaglios/" target="_blank">Read about the Blythe Intaglios on legendsofamerica.com</a>.</div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-90348726032400192422022-05-20T10:08:00.073-07:002022-09-30T18:51:25.565-07:00Ancient horse in the southern California desert?<div style="text-align: left;">We always find items like this interesting. Many may not know about what are now called the Blythe Intaglios, discovered in 1932 by a pilot flying from Nevada to California. They are geoglyphs, large works of art created in the earth that are mainly discernible from the air, quite similar to the Nazca Lines in Peru, even in their construction. Their current name comes from their location near Blythe, CA in the Colorado Desert.</div><p></p><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuASEok2RarZ0NrmBBL4zGHQLjuyhq5HVzj4y9Fg1Nobb0th70nfD429koS-lGSdECiYynOvn8n_6EaYGKXrzilS58O62iVJkWr7q4-0JZHRavwHsyNggyWRUPdU6g-IulwS3nU5-4v-LhozOBvDUAD_4Fy2obS6-qfwak2NwpxUfw9ZDY9DY0lZ_iJw/s973/blythe.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="752" data-original-width="973" height="308" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuASEok2RarZ0NrmBBL4zGHQLjuyhq5HVzj4y9Fg1Nobb0th70nfD429koS-lGSdECiYynOvn8n_6EaYGKXrzilS58O62iVJkWr7q4-0JZHRavwHsyNggyWRUPdU6g-IulwS3nU5-4v-LhozOBvDUAD_4Fy2obS6-qfwak2NwpxUfw9ZDY9DY0lZ_iJw/w400-h308/blythe.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Blythe Intaglio Quadruped</td></tr></tbody></table><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>In addition to some spiral and geometric designs, the five main figures are humanoid and animal; two of them are officially known as 'quadrupeds,' the most interesting of which is shown here. Two questions should immediately come to mind: what animal is being represented and what is the age of this and the other large figures? Thinking of large American fauna, this image could easily be seen as a horse to the untrained eye. How likely is that? <p></p><div>Daniel has long researched the topic of ancient American horses, as recorded in the Book of Mormon. This is obviously a controversial topic that goes against the current line of thinking, both common and scientific, but that is slowly changing. There is actually a good bit of information about these geoglyphs, but none of it suggests that this could be a pre-Columbian depiction of an ancient horse; that would be going too far. Attempts have been made to connect this and the other nearby figures to Yuman oral history and cosmology, however, it is not known who created them, although later native nations knew about and attached significance to them.</div><div><br /></div><div>Is there any danger in seeing a horse in this figure? The assertion can be made that imagery from other cultures must be interpreted using the understanding of that culture. This is definitely true and quite often pseudoscientific claims are made by taking artifacts out of context and interpreting them with a modern understanding. We should be careful to guard against this, but it must be pointed out that from prehistoric cave paintings to zoomorphic representations from ancient cultures all over the world, animals in ancient art can usually be readily identified. Ancient people knew what animals familiar to them looked like and were quite skilled at representing them through painting, sculpture, and other means. While we may not know much about the culture that created the aforementioned Nazca Lines, we can easily recognize the spider, monkey, hummingbird, and other representational art they made, even if we do not understand their meaning.</div><div><br /></div><div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqF4IN7fzIx81-E_coWPvX37YBShdLtZ0SUjskYeJzHDs-U69r1J2DNtPskQEhk9h-xkQsHyTKqdjzbfsJruiUZAO8Vptxgs_tzEnRDUhqHWKwyf_zoNenXvR1_x2zub0KykSyI_lQXm1yV6cpccewxg5PRQtfL7ZvN0rGzdCNzJbLwUqmBDIkfSTsbQ/s871/mountain-lion.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: auto; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="528" data-original-width="871" height="121" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqF4IN7fzIx81-E_coWPvX37YBShdLtZ0SUjskYeJzHDs-U69r1J2DNtPskQEhk9h-xkQsHyTKqdjzbfsJruiUZAO8Vptxgs_tzEnRDUhqHWKwyf_zoNenXvR1_x2zub0KykSyI_lQXm1yV6cpccewxg5PRQtfL7ZvN0rGzdCNzJbLwUqmBDIkfSTsbQ/w200-h121/mountain-lion.jpg" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Blue Mesa, AZ</td></tr></tbody></table>Oddly enough, this figure is most often identified as a mountain lion, companion to the Creator in an ancient creation myth. Other safe and more visually likely candidates would be a deer, elk, or another common North American ungulate. Our first reaction to the mountain lion label is that it could only be true if the creators of this figure had never seen such an animal, but are there culturally similar examples known to represent cougars or pumas for comparison? While it is not known exactly who created the Blythe Intaglios or even when, there is a plethora of ancient and even prehistoric rock art examples from this region of the United States. Shown here is a well-known petroglyph, which is easily recognizable as a feline. Notice salient features such as the ears and claws. Interestingly enough, a common feature of indigenous images in the Southwest of mountain lions is the long tail going over the back.</div><div><br /></div><div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSNlohaKPcmkqs_zP8x-Q8pL7d89sljIc7VBEA6snUji97O1MLuowcH_0jEuQdTC6G6eNGFUNdadJ2JefAupNfLeOzDeK4Oj1L8osGoeS3Sg6XRAmp8COfoZuVrvxb54YTfvX3_lxNj3hehfi_Xb2YiY7INBrsTeX7LnZ7Wy76e_CaT11TVZme4_nd7A/s975/975px-Coso_petroglyphs_(1).jpeg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="975" height="158" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSNlohaKPcmkqs_zP8x-Q8pL7d89sljIc7VBEA6snUji97O1MLuowcH_0jEuQdTC6G6eNGFUNdadJ2JefAupNfLeOzDeK4Oj1L8osGoeS3Sg6XRAmp8COfoZuVrvxb54YTfvX3_lxNj3hehfi_Xb2YiY7INBrsTeX7LnZ7Wy76e_CaT11TVZme4_nd7A/w200-h158/975px-Coso_petroglyphs_(1).jpeg" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Coso Mountains, CA</td></tr></tbody></table>Other examples of non-controversial animals are quite common. As can be seen in these petroglyphs from the Mohave Desert, animal forms are surprisingly recognizable, even cross culturally. It is not hard at all to make out horned sheep/goats, a lizard, and some sort of canine, probably a coyote or dog. More specific identification may not be possible, but the overall general type of animal is easy to see.</div><div><br /></div><div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjohLq3IILiLEcTO8Lpjbu55jITvACGjp0Dll4AmwoUh5NoPCfP27Vsq-4iGbYPmHV3zGxhXyoevTTSFZV6_kdb8GJy7DiG1EP3kzehGIsVpyHWhdJJobAX3s4gIS12wz8KGtnd3nkESYThwyYXIpEczzSvhhXYRH2YhGP-wMJigJqCppjbMvJeI1nQKw/s800/F0203676-Prehistoric_Native_American_petroglyphs.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="533" data-original-width="800" height="133" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjohLq3IILiLEcTO8Lpjbu55jITvACGjp0Dll4AmwoUh5NoPCfP27Vsq-4iGbYPmHV3zGxhXyoevTTSFZV6_kdb8GJy7DiG1EP3kzehGIsVpyHWhdJJobAX3s4gIS12wz8KGtnd3nkESYThwyYXIpEczzSvhhXYRH2YhGP-wMJigJqCppjbMvJeI1nQKw/w200-h133/F0203676-Prehistoric_Native_American_petroglyphs.jpg" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Bluff, UT</td></tr></tbody></table>In this prehistoric example, large horned animals are depicted. What are obviously antlers are shown on what is likely a deer. Also identifiable are a bird and the human hunting with a bow and arrow. Countless such petroglyphs and pictographs are known all across the United States, but these are all chosen from the American Southwest in an attempt to be as culturally relevant as possible to the Blythe Intaglios. However, it should be noted that even in ancient rock art worldwide, the modern viewer can almost always tell at least the general type of animal depicted. Humans have a way of successfully representing animals, even across wide ranges of time and distance.</div></div><div><br /></div><div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1hA95X9Sz1TfwcQV-umb4YUKfjXdIl-Ak6ldzjdpAU_R0txvLqPPVh76MojXTeXoZzvP9lM4krfQfjm_ERIjlEuKzDduIc8zqnEe6y8OlX2ib5YxPrSGAne97SF2PtSqpKZdfJumi42iSa-U7rNzAlz_y99YzW_3k1AmFcqsNbF5TIfNEB_CccKViHQ/s724/Petroglyphs-newspaper-rock-ThinkstockPhotos-78741606.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="482" data-original-width="724" height="133" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1hA95X9Sz1TfwcQV-umb4YUKfjXdIl-Ak6ldzjdpAU_R0txvLqPPVh76MojXTeXoZzvP9lM4krfQfjm_ERIjlEuKzDduIc8zqnEe6y8OlX2ib5YxPrSGAne97SF2PtSqpKZdfJumi42iSa-U7rNzAlz_y99YzW_3k1AmFcqsNbF5TIfNEB_CccKViHQ/w200-h133/Petroglyphs-newspaper-rock-ThinkstockPhotos-78741606.jpg" width="200" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Indian Creek State Park, UT</td></tr></tbody></table>As a contrast, there is North American rock art that obviously shows horses, even being ridden. Newspaper Rock in Utah is a well-known example. We are not suggesting that this is a pre-conquest depiction of an Ancient American horse. It was most likely created long after horses had been re-introduced to the Americas and plains tribes had adopted them into their culture. When non-native scientists see horses depicted, they assume a historical date without further investigation. It should be noted that some First Nations people have oral histories and traditions that they have always had horses, long before the white man arrived. </div><div><br /></div><div>Rock art can be dated using a variety of techniques, including the growth of lichens and weathering or varnish on the rocks, but as we have often seen if the image is undeniably a horse, no effort is taken to determine a date because its age can automatically be assumed. This is safe enough and scientifically sound, but notice the circular reasoning involved: If it is a horse, then it must be post-conquest and only if it is post conquest, then can it reasonably be a horse. This approach is used by Michael J. Harner in his study of the Blythe Intaglios. In "GRAVEL PICTOGRAPHS OF THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER REGION," he states '<span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">...if one considers the quadrupeds to be horses, then all five figures can be considered to be historic...</span>' He also suggests they may be a coyote, wolf, or dog. A safe and non-controversial assumption, but again, it begs the question (since we know there were no horses in the Americas before they were introduced by Europeans, any ancient horse-like depiction must be something else) instead of researching it out fully with an open mind. However, even in this study, we see that interpreting the quadruped as a horse is not unreasonable.</div><div><br /></div><div>This brings us to the real question, can these geoglyphs be dated? They have been, with some interesting results. Jay von Werlhof and Harry Casey authored a study on these and other rock art in the region. On the Blythe Intaglios quadruped in particular, the AMS C-14 age is 1145 +/_ 65 with a Total Error of 203. The Calibrated Age (1 sigma) is AD 668 (892) 1152. This may be a bit hard to decipher, but later in the study, they conclude that the minimum ages of these geoglyphs, referred to as the 'Blythe Giants,' are in the time range of AD 550-1150 and according to the table in the study, the quadruped has a highest probabilistic date of AD 892. This is important, as Harner states that, '<span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">The uniformity of style of the anthropomorphic and quadruped representations suggests that they were constructed contemporaneously.</span>'</div><div><br /></div><div>Based on the results of these studies, the Blythe Intaglios quadruped was created at least 400-500 years before the traditional timeline of the re-introduction of horses to the region, and probably much earlier. Comparing it to other rock art examples in the American Southwest, it does not easily resemble a mountain lion, deer, bighorn sheep, elk, or other animal commonly known to Native Americans, although it could represent a mythical creature. As stated in scientific studies, it has at times been interpreted as a horse. The only point of contention is its age if indeed it actually is a horse. We realize that we are swimming against the current here, but all things considered, suggesting that this Blythe Intaglios quadruped might be a pre-conquest horse is not all that outrageous.</div><div><br /></div><table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxkHAHDm3_BjUDrqPlVcvMuvR2FOtFftXETODO9n1WXAh3XsSJ4p1WF7kwLER3Ft9Zjyh8XJOG2E7hHnMDJ2kYZgBzC45lgl0tk1m-eycRbPzuUyyMsYTXg7RoZQngTjzF0SbdG5uteQEwSKpsxGHfG-fX2OSXHsXpoYwHwHgQisALoPnChHWc-B6doA/s950/plaque.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="502" data-original-width="950" height="211" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhxkHAHDm3_BjUDrqPlVcvMuvR2FOtFftXETODO9n1WXAh3XsSJ4p1WF7kwLER3Ft9Zjyh8XJOG2E7hHnMDJ2kYZgBzC45lgl0tk1m-eycRbPzuUyyMsYTXg7RoZQngTjzF0SbdG5uteQEwSKpsxGHfG-fX2OSXHsXpoYwHwHgQisALoPnChHWc-B6doA/w400-h211/plaque.jpg" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Plaque at the site, suggesting a possible interpretation as a horse, the shape at end of each leg may be a paw or hoof</td></tr></tbody></table><div><a href="https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/anthpubs/ucb/proof/pdfs/ucas020-003.pdf" target="_blank">Click hear to read Michael J. Harner's study</a></div><div><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.public.asu.edu%2F~atrid%2FVonWerlhofGeoglyph.pdf%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR35bTLbS12t5oXMN-fOv3yvSAVWG_neINW1HdP7r5-aolUUyyQv6N16J50&h=AT35dj3sibaPZhLvOT92jRu9KHhODzSMiYoOyPBe48BWiNIuY2rb6dY8hBCIOAva9c0qiMnOgPcvfkIY6txcnxZmgxcwdG75t_cEugIDyEjw-IIjOr_9ws_s8Ng7FrbCrSKyVd4mcpLc6imJ-tbJsoUpLA&__tn__=R]-R&c[0]=AT2xmb8UTLH3QhkeljCc1iHTahWfW762vpvFRFsDJzzzUUBqCENACSBnTzcxKIVIWqF513g_2hELUY7rBGG2ZmY_wZQxwVSSLmky42MlBddaS9fBu4x_jrOKFrAoNu1zQ6Hx7wM3dd7JSlJAfPZnNxktLRym2Jk8ojZOL27R_h-gpiGg7xZCN-L-RV-tdoHV6VhbErLO8W1k2nRubiec" target="_blank">Click here to read Jay von Werlhof and Harry Casey's study</a></div><div><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=fFX066QfQv8C&pg=PA289&dq=Blythe+geoglyphs&hl=en&ei=jYbrS5SHK4-0tgPjq4D3Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Blythe%20geoglyphs&f=false" target="_blank">Click here to read about the attempts to connect the geoglyphs to the Yuman culture</a></div><div><a href="https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2019/07/pseudoarchaeological-claims-of-horses-in-the-americas/?fbclid=IwAR3mTjQlHP2-R1QxHhjyFou9bJdo6Jnyfnw5ingCvS6nnWI-DKEctsiWNnY" target="_blank">Click here for an article on pseudoarchaeological claims of horses in the Americas that mentions this geoglyph</a></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-59574944498108823572021-12-24T11:33:00.114-08:002021-12-27T12:17:56.000-08:00The Peacemaker and the Tree of Peace<div style="text-align: left;">We have some new interesting information to share for your consideration and this is a nice time of year to do it. This is an Iroquois legend about the Peacemaker and the Tree of Peace. His origin is an interesting one:</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /><span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"The Peacemaker was born a Huron, to a young virgin woman who had not yet gone through here puberty rites. The young woman had not yet reached her time for the ceremony when she became pregnant. Her mother was worried of what the people of the village might say, so she hid her away during her pregnancy until she gave birth. She convinced her daughter that she had to get rid of the baby. The grandmother tried three times to kill the baby and failed each time. She then realized that he must be someone special and with special powers and knew that they should raise him carefully."</span></div><p></p><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiFU9I8Y_R76pS4VZhmd33zozqOkhoEsq3WcgBMz9kfBxvDUIC1GEDIWusG_0kNxJKaUiZR721miAtLzr72e_lUh-S8r4uBK-mGArmXxmENRWD0aqWuIrlj1cFV9IsXwY-sEHf76fUZ-nqsZzFEXqizp-1OUKcTowsWuQ6J3QQqsSscpAXbdxfiH6HNvA=s768" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: -1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="462" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiFU9I8Y_R76pS4VZhmd33zozqOkhoEsq3WcgBMz9kfBxvDUIC1GEDIWusG_0kNxJKaUiZR721miAtLzr72e_lUh-S8r4uBK-mGArmXxmENRWD0aqWuIrlj1cFV9IsXwY-sEHf76fUZ-nqsZzFEXqizp-1OUKcTowsWuQ6J3QQqsSscpAXbdxfiH6HNvA=w193-h320" width="193" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><br /></td></tr></tbody></table>The Peacemaker brought together five warring nations. Even after this success, he noticed that they still carried their weapons. So he saw a tall evergreen tree and uprooted it, creating a cavity. He then instructed the men to cast their weapons of war into it and he replaced the tree, burying them, saying, <span style="color: #660000; font-family: verdana;">"Into the depths of the earth, down into the deep under earth currents of water flowing into unknown regions, we cast all weapons of strife. We bury them from sight forever and plant again the tree. Thus shall all great peace be established and hostilities shall no longer be known between the Five Nations but only peace to a united people."</span><p></p><div style="text-align: left;">Christlike similarities are immediately obvious. It is interesting how many gods and heroes in mythologies around the world come from a virgin birth with an unknown father. But the Book of Mormon also tells a story of Lamanites that once converted to belief in God, buried their weapons of war as a symbol of their newfound faith.<span style="color: #660000;"> <span style="font-family: verdana;"><span>"...all the people were assembled together, they took their swords, and all the weapons which were used for the shedding of man’s blood, and they did bury them up deep in the earth."</span> </span></span>(Alma 24:17)</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">The Book of Mormon does not teach about the origins of the Iroquois necessarily, but we find these similarities to be quite intriguing and worthy of further study. If it records true events that took place anciently, it's possible that these stories survived in some form and were adopted by later cultures, who appropriated them and made them their own.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><p><a href="https://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/ThePeacemakerAndTheTreeOfPeace-Iroquois.html">Click here to read more about the Peacemaker and the Tree of Peace</a>.</p>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-51747305219228887872020-11-15T12:43:00.161-08:002022-05-20T21:40:24.625-07:00More thoughts on the origin and significance of Quetzalcoatl<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3NDRkPAwE9OTGkm0oEKGuDVz7DfNDRLZF7Nqv22s2Z4sJ2EsUmSEIsUaWutyOQGCgkFKsR1WoWsZWdqPeHjB-XGq-XbV-wC-fC37sn8qZsgXW6vBeY8NgT670m5KxbhRhlYj8Gx4z_VSu/s538/Viracocha_6.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="538" data-original-width="405" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj3NDRkPAwE9OTGkm0oEKGuDVz7DfNDRLZF7Nqv22s2Z4sJ2EsUmSEIsUaWutyOQGCgkFKsR1WoWsZWdqPeHjB-XGq-XbV-wC-fC37sn8qZsgXW6vBeY8NgT670m5KxbhRhlYj8Gx4z_VSu/w151-h200/Viracocha_6.jpg" width="151" /></a></div>Latter-Day Saints have long been interested in establishing a connection between ancient American legends of Quetzalcoatl (and similar deities from a variety of cultures) and Jesus Christ's visit as told in the Book of Mormon. It should be noted that this idea is not new; Spanish chroniclers wrote down these beliefs and noted their similarity. So, this idea is not something that was created in support of the veracity of the Book of Mormon account, but perhaps latched onto because it was appealing. <div><br /></div><div>Obviously, the scientific world does not think much of this view, pointing out the need to be skeptical of the Spanish, who may have had other interests in mind. The native populations they met may have also altered their stated beliefs for reasons of their own as they related them to their conquerors. This may explain the examples of seemingly Biblical stories and practices found among the Maya, Aztecs, and other later cultures, or it may not. Even some LDS scholars and commentators, such as Brandt Gardner, not only discourage making these connections, but even affirm there is no support for a Christlike Quetzalcoatl (or Gukumatz, or Kukulcan, or Viracocha) older than Spanish records, asserting that this similarity was basically a Spanish invention.</div><div><br /></div><div>Leaving aside why the idea of a deity similar to Christ would appeal to the Catholic conquerors (after all, they weren't Mormons), we can look at the widely-held indigenous belief in a feathered serpent deity, which is found among many ancient cultures and combines unexpected animal aspects. An admittedly non-scientific article on <a href="https://www.ancient-origins.net/" target="_blank">Ancient Origins</a> deals with this very topic. It discusses the idea that these (bearded?) gods of the Americas may have been the resurrected Jesus, even mentioning LDS beliefs and the account of his visit in the Book of Mormon. This assertion is no longer as widely ridiculed as it has been in the past. But it delves into what is perhaps a more important question of why the serpent, a creature from the ground, was combined with a bird, a creature from the sky, to form a singular god.</div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv7UfmCpDkIbwTfLGkiPM4INf0hKFu_iY_JIeyN5RLT1PFU7bGrytIp0MozX0NxSODEiKVDMFn4FDPOemdednZ0-pGjtgG6OHxcx9V1KtfEOAdXFMofpfxJ_buz0bFg6gJT-hJ0id2Ber8/s610/The-Coat-of-Arms-of-Mexico.jpg" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="554" data-original-width="610" height="182" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv7UfmCpDkIbwTfLGkiPM4INf0hKFu_iY_JIeyN5RLT1PFU7bGrytIp0MozX0NxSODEiKVDMFn4FDPOemdednZ0-pGjtgG6OHxcx9V1KtfEOAdXFMofpfxJ_buz0bFg6gJT-hJ0id2Ber8/w200-h182/The-Coat-of-Arms-of-Mexico.jpg" width="200" /></a></div>The symbol of the eagle and the snake is also important to Aztec origin legends and is found on the flag of Mexico. As stated in the article, this legend was misinterpreted by the Spanish as the eagle representing good and the serpent evil, which fits in nicely with European heraldry and Christian theology. But a more accurate representation of these attributes may be much more complex. The suggestion in this article is that the earthly and heavenly creatures may represent different states of consciousness together in one being. Another idea we suggest is that the idea of a feathered serpent god is to represent a deity combining heavenly and earthly attributes, or we might say, divine and mortal. Looking at it in this way, it's not too hard to think of Jesus Christ the Son of God, who embodied both the divine and the mortal in his person, as necessary in carrying out his atoning sacrifice. </div><div><br /></div><div>In conclusion, perhaps Quetzalcoatl doesn't need to be a bearded white man after all. Perhaps the symbolism of the earthly and the divine combined in one individual is enough. Just something to think about.</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-americas/bearded-gods-americas-were-jesus-resurrected-maybe-why-plumed-serpent-021606" target="_blank">Click here to read the article on ancient-origins.net</a></div>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-6130465949233688602020-03-12T15:58:00.004-07:002022-05-20T22:10:15.198-07:00More support for Ancient American horsesOut of all the criticisms of the Book of Mormon, its mention of horses keeps coming up. Such has been the case for 190 years. Daniel has written papers and given presentations on strong support for the presence of horses in the Americas far before previously held beliefs. There may not be a definite answer yet, but more support from non-LDS sources keeps appearing. Of particular interest is research into Native American traditions and histories<br />
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Yvette Running Horse, an indigenous scholar, has a good bit of <a href="https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came-JGqPrqLmZk-3ka-IBqNWiQ?fbclid=IwAR3iMZJNGquDa1C4AP1vVelHi5wv45XkYA5_fLNmMlaeHTP-c6iYr55x-gQ" target="_blank">current research</a> supporting native traditions that they have always had the horse. Many of her findings are very similar to the paper that Daniel had published in BYU Studies. She doesn't seem to have any interest in supporting the Book of Mormon narrative, so we recommend her work for consideration. As more time goes by, our stance on the reality of horses in Ancient America far before the Spanish conquest becomes more commonplace.<br />
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Now residing in the Israel Museum, a sword from the Vered Jericho fortress was found in the 1980s. It's over three feet long and is described as being made of mild steel. Some listings may describe it as iron, but because steel is so close to iron (up to 99%), academic descriptions often don't distinguish between the two materials. But articles delving into the details will mention the difference. According to <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/" target="_blank">Popular Mechanics</a> and the <a href="https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/magazines/" target="_blank">Biblical Archaeology Review</a>, it is indeed iron hardened into a mild steel (<a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28286/early-steel-swords-history/" target="_blank">click here to read the article</a>). According to the museum's 1992 journal, "<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "trebuchet ms" , sans-serif;">Metallurgical analysis of a sample taken from the blade proves that it was made of mild steel, and that the iron was deliberately hardened into steel, attesting to the technical knowledge of the blacksmith</span>."<br />
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Shad Brooks, an Australian swords and ancient weaponry expert, explains the significance of this find on his YouTube channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/shadmbrooks" target="_blank">Shadiversity</a>. He defends its description as steel and explains just how close iron and steel are, especially in ancient metallurgy. Using the Vered Jericho sword as a base, he has even reconstructed a probable design of the sword of Laban, based on Nephi's description.<br />
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The sword of Laban can now safely be removed from any list of Book of Mormon controversies. No longer do we need to try and explain it away, as it fits fully into the historical record of the time, without any hit of anachronism.<br />
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<a href="https://youtu.be/Yx_I3lNz04Y?t=945" target="_blank">Click here to watch Shad's recreation of the sword of Laban</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTC2gtB9gWU" target="_blank">Click here to watch Shad's defense of the Vered Jericho sword as steel</a>.<br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-34128717722214320442019-06-11T11:39:00.004-07:002022-05-20T21:42:21.004-07:00Pope confirms phrase from the JSTIn an unexpected bit of news, Pope Francis recently approved a change to a phrase in the Lord's Prayer, found in Matthew 6:14. In this familiar scripture, Jesus teaches the pattern for praying to our Heavenly Father. The King James Bible contains the phrase, "<span face="Trebuchet MS, sans-serif" style="color: #783f04;">And lead us not into temptation</span>." Reasoning that God does not tempt mankind, but rather the devil, the pope has changed the phrase to “<span face="Trebuchet MS, sans-serif" style="color: #783f04;">do not let us fall into temptation</span>.”<br />
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This is interesting because the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, long criticized by many Christians, contains practically the same phrase, for likely the same reason. His rendering of this line reads "<span face="Trebuchet MS, sans-serif" style="color: #783f04;">And suffer us not to be led into temptation</span>." The beyond close similarity of the two phrases is interesting, since Joseph made this inspired change over 150 years ago. We wonder how and why the current pope came to this same conclusion, but we do agree with his decision.<br />
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<a href="https://www.ucatholic.com/news/pope-francis-approves-changes-to-lords-prayer-gloria-of-italian-missal/" target="_blank">Read here about Pope Francis' change to this and the Gloria</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-87896444407021843922018-12-25T21:34:00.002-08:002018-12-25T21:48:28.835-08:00An interesting story to shareMerry Christmas, everyone! At this wonderful season, we thought we would share an odd story about something that happened to Daniel earlier this year. As you know, the point of this blog is to share our studies and also to contact others who are interested in this information.<br />
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Some months ago, Daniel was contacted by someone in Panama; we'll call him José. He said he had found a post on our blog about a new discovery of gold items buried in a stone box in Mexico City. According to this individual, there was a museum in Panama called the Fort David Museum. It was somehow associated with an ancient nearby site called Barriles. After a bit of research, we found some information on this site and it appears to be legitimate. But it is on property owned by people that are looking to get publicity for it by making some outrageous claims.<br />
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José wanted Daniel to come to Panama to see the artifacts and get his opinion on them. He was even willing to pay his way to fly and stay there. What made this interesting was that he claimed that ancient steel swords and gold plates had been found in a tomb in Panama. While things like this are always intriguing, caution is paramount. LDS hopefuls have been misled in the past by bad archaeology. The story being presented to Daniel was that this site contained the tomb of a chief or powerful leader named El Quibián Malchía. This Malchía supposedly left the Old World around 600 b.c. and sailed with Phoenicians to Panama. The purpose of this journey was to save the Ark of the Covenant from Babylonian capture. Once in the New World, he set himself up as a king. His tomb containing these artifacts was accidentally discovered a few years ago. This image is from one of the museum's videos and purports to be the actual Ark of the Covenant from his tomb. If only Indiana Jones had known!<br />
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Many details about this story are unlikely, not the least of which is the poor quality of this 'artifact.' But when José finally sent photos of their gold plates, we knew there was a real problem. The first surprising detail to notice here is that the hieroglyphics engraved on them are exact copies of the 'Charactors' facsimile, even down to their sequence. José even tried to convince Daniel that these were the actual plates guarded by Moroni and used by Joseph Smith to translate the Book of Mormon. When Daniel sent him an image of the 'Charactors' and asked him to explain how it was exactly the same, José demanded to know where he had obtained this image, as they had been careful at the museum not to let let out any information on their plates. Daniel then had to explain to him that this image had been around since the early 1800s and was widely available. In fact, all the information needed to make this low quality replica of the plates could be found in posts on our blog.<br />
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From there, the communication just got even stranger, with José making some bizarre accusations and personal admissions. We don't know if he was complicit in this fraud or if he was fooled by it. We don't see much purpose in this whole affair, except maybe to scam LDS tourists into visiting this site and spending money there, and using Daniel to spread the word. While a free trip to Panama did sound tempting, Daniel did eventually decide against it and cut off all contact with José, after trying to convince him to give up on this hopeless fraud. Not wanting to be part of an obvious hoax, Daniel was also somewhat concerned for his own safety. Who was involved in this scheme and what did they really hope to achieve? Why did they want him to come, of all people? That is still a mystery to us. But if anyone is going through that area of Panama, it might be worthwhile to stop by the Fort David Museum and see what they have. We haven't seen anything there except very modern, crudely made fakes without any hint of authenticity or antiquity. They are about the quality that you would find as trinkets being sold to foreign tourists.<br />
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We find this to be an interesting find. Because of its age, it cannot have any direct connection to Book of Mormon events. We doubt that the events related in it extended as far as the western United States, but these finds should be a constant reminder that there is so much ancient history in this part of the world yet to be discovered. The existence of early horses in American prehistory is now commonly known, but it should be remembered that this was not always the case. When the Book of Mormon was first published in 1830, the common knowledge then was that there were no horses or similar large fauna at all until after European contact. Daniel has spoken and written extensively regarding the evolution of belief about ancient American horses and the evidence for pre-Columbian horses in this hemisphere. Click the links below to read more details about this find.<br />
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<a href="https://www.livescience.com/62491-utah-landscapers-discover-ice-age-horse.html">Read about this discovery on Live Science</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/science/horse-skeleton-utah.html?emc=edit_th_180504&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=473864250504">Read about this discovery at the NY Times</a>.<br />
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Recent articles show that LIDAR has been used to see through the dense jungles of northern Guatemala and find what still lies underneath. Palaces, elevated highways, and the ruins of more than 60,000 houses have been discovered. What is now seen is a society that is far more complex and interconnected than previously thought.<br />
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Ten parcels of land, totaling more than 800 sq. miles was mapped, but this is just a small part of the large northern jungles of Guatemala, known as the Petén. It is likely that much more would be discovered if the unmapped areas were to be scanned. Because of these latest finds, the current estimate for the Maya population at its height is between 10 and 15 million. This is a surprisingly high number when compared to previous estimates.<br />
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The final battles of the Book of Mormon record large numbers involved in the fighting. In the past, these numbers seemed hard to justify, but as finds like these keep being announced, they are easier to believe. It should be pointed out that much of the Maya civilization existed after the end of the Book of Mormon, so these finds don't related directly to its history. But large populations among the Nephites, Lamanites, and other groups mentioned in this scripture are no longer a strong reason to discount it.<br />
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<a href="https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/maya-laser-lidar-guatemala-pacunam/">Read more about these discoveries at National Geographic</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-42308621264752010882018-01-20T15:16:00.003-08:002018-01-20T15:19:22.692-08:00Ancient elephants and horses in the Yucatán?More unexpected artifacts have been found in caves in the Yucatán Peninsula. A recent article on the Latin American news site teleSUR tells of explorations by INAH of cenotes and the underwater tunnels linking them. The Yucatán is riddled with caves and tunnels going all through its limestone foundation. Many of them are filled with water and were the primary water source for the ancient Maya. They were also ritual and sacred spaces, seen as an entrance to Xibalba, the underworld and land of the dead, according to Maya religious beliefs. So, they were also commonly used as ceremonial centers and places of sacrifice.<br />
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In one of these cave systems, well preserved ceramic vessels and bones of sacrificial offerings have been found. In addition to human skulls, bones of extinct animals like giant sloths, <i>elephants</i>, and <i>horses</i> have been found. It's interesting how casually these animals are mentioned in the article, especially since many people still think they were never in Ancient America. Horses and elephants are mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and are still the source of much criticism against it, even though discoveries like this latest one keep happening from time to time. We explored the Loltún Caves, where ancient horse and mammoth bones were found many years ago, but these finds apparently are still not common knowledge. We find it especially noteworthy that this article mentions 'elephants' specifically (not mammoths or mastodons), not even bothering to comment on how revolutionary this idea must be to some people. It's obvious that these finds are likely prehistoric, long before the time period of the Book of Mormon, but it is nonetheless additional evidence supporting its veracity. Sadly this information will likely go ignored by our critics.<br />
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<a href="https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Sacred-Mayan-Underwater-Tunnel-Rediscovered-in-Yucatan-20180116-0031.html">Click here to read the full article on teleSUR</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-48619952003609152692017-10-10T12:18:00.003-07:002022-05-20T21:48:52.866-07:00Some ideas on deity and the Old TestamentThis post isn't about the Book of Mormon specifically, but more about LDS theology concerning God. Our rejection of traditional trinitarian creeds is unusual among mainstream Christianity, regardless of what individual Christians may believe. The idea that members of the Godhead are three distinct individuals has led some to declare that Mormons cannot be Christians, as this concept seems too close to polytheism. But the belief in Gods that are literally father and son may have some surprising and ancient origins.<br />
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Judaism has long been considered as containing the earliest form of monotheism. But some secular scholars see evidence of polytheistic beliefs in the original text of Jewish scripture that has since been edited out. One example is in Deuteronomy 32:8-9:<br />
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The immediate assumption is that 'Most High' (El-Elyon in Hebrew), a common title for God in the Old Testament, refers to the the Lord or Jehovah (YHWH). However, some scholars see a connection between the Hebrew 'El' and the supreme Caananite deity, El. The oldest versions of Deuteronomy, including the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls, don't have the phrase 'children of Israel,' but instead say 'sons of El.' The idea behind this passage is that El divided up the world's people into different ethnic groups to be ruled over by his divine sons. To Jehovah (the Lord), a Son of God, was given the nation or people of Jacob (Israel) as his people. So the Hebrew God wasn't the only God, but a son, and not the only one.<br />
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Latter-Day Saints have long identified the Jehovah of the Old Testament as a pre-mortal Jesus Christ, and refer to his Heavenly Father as Elohim, a Hebrew word meaning 'God' or 'Gods.' There is even belief in a divine council of elohim meeting to create the world, an idea not found in traditional Christianity, but found in many ancient texts from the Middle East. Perhaps this possible evidence of earlier polytheism among the monotheistic Israelites seen by some non-religious scholars is a fragment of this original understanding. This Mormon belief has been mocked by Christians and agnostics alike, but there may yet be some support for it, hiding under our noses in familiar scripture. Many of the Biblical 'contradictions' about the multiple gods El and Yahweh (Jehovah) that could be troubling to Christians are easily explained by LDS theology. Maybe there is something to this multiple gods idea after all.<br />
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<a href="http://evolutionofgod.net/question_israelite">Read more from Robert Wright, Professor of Science and Religion</a>.<br />
<a href="http://contradictionsinthebible.com/are-yahweh-and-el-the-same-god/">Click here for this Contradiction in the Bible</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-42938690102236627642017-07-10T01:39:00.002-07:002017-07-10T01:47:08.504-07:00Gold artifacts among the AztecsIn April of this year, a cache of what has been described as 'some of the finest Aztec gold ever found' was uncovered near the main square in Mexico City. The capital city of Mexico, long known as a center of three cultures: Aztec, Colonial Spanish, and modern, seems an unlikely place for a new discovery of this magnitude. But like the new excavations at Chichén Itzá, this find shows that no matter how much we think we know about these famous and commonly-visited sites, there still exists the opportunity to find something new which increases our understanding of these ancient cultures.<br />
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Buried in a stone box and situated behind a Catholic cathedral in the vicinity of the principal Aztec temple, the gold was part of a buried offering and adorned a sacrificed wolf. The ceremonial items were interred some 500 years ago. It's obvious that the Aztec culture is far removed from any direct Book of Mormon involvement, but we find discoveries such as this one interesting in that they show the technology and inclination to create such items did exist in ancient America, even if it hasn't been connected to the Book of Mormon yet. The fact that such discoveries continue to be made and were unknown in the 19th century are also encouraging. Our curiosity is always piqued when we hear about pre-Columbian gold buried in stone boxes.<br />
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Admittedly, ancient American metallurgy is a complex and difficult topic, one that does not currently support many of the claims made in the Book of Mormon. We have discussed these issues many times and have found that, along with the lack of evidence, there are also some encouraging but little-known finds that show that there was more metal working going on in the New World than has previously been thought. We will look forward to further developments in this area.<br />
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<a href="http://whtc.com/news/articles/2017/jul/07/exclusive-aztec-golden-wolf-sacrifice-yields-rich-trove-in-mexico-city/">Click here to read more about the discovery of this discovery of Aztec gold</a>.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy_in_pre-Columbian_America">Click here to read about the current understanding of metallurgy in pre-Columbian America</a>.<br />
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The Church's <a href="https://history.lds.org/section/museum?lang=eng">Museum of Church History and Art</a> has a representation of the plates on exhibit, made from historical descriptions by those who saw or handled them. Whatever our critics and detractors might say, it seems obvious that some physical object was possessed by Joseph. Even his enemies believed the stories enough to attack him and his household several times, attempting to steal them. We may never know exactly what they looked like, but the following facsimile gives a good idea and the accounts given by those who had personal experience with them should help to weed out false ideas that may have crept up over the years. However, any modern representation of them must of necessity be based partly on conjecture and educated guesses. There are some frustrating gaps in details that modern enthusiasts would like to have, but the goals of 19th-century observers of the plates in describing them would be different than ours today.<br />
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Of course, the Church's critics have all sorts of reasons the plates could not have existed as described, but most of their complaints can be resolved by relying closely on the words of those who supposedly interacted with them, rather than Mormon traditions and imaginings that have evolved over more than a century and a half. To read more about the exhibit, how this model was made, and accurate quotes by Joseph Smith and his associates, <a href="https://www.lds.org/new-era/2007/07/what-did-the-golden-plates-look-like?lang=eng">read this article on LDS.org</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-51554374275911877762017-04-30T13:34:00.000-07:002020-01-27T11:18:45.811-08:00A good perspective on Book of Mormon ArchaeologyWe all know that Book of Mormon Archaeology can be a tricky subject. Notwithstanding all the interesting and enlightening items we have found that seem to correlate with the Book of Mormon account, there is no firm proof. In all likelihood, there never will be, either for or against. This debate will never be solved by the scientific disciplines of Archaeology, Anthropology, History, Linguistics, or anything else. As evidence for this, there is no general consensus; regardless of all the archaeological 'support,' many people reject the Book of Mormon as an ancient historical document. Conversely, despite all the 'proofs' of its 19th-century origins, many accept it as a true account and holy scripture.<br />
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At the FairMormon conference in 2005, Dr. John Clark, an archaeologist at BYU who has helped us out in the past, gave a presentation that provided a needed perspective on this issue. As a comparison, many events that are crucial to the narrative of the Old Testament have no archaeological support whatsoever. However, there is no doubt that the Bible is an ancient document. If the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be, then it must be the product of an American 19th-century environment. In his presentation, which can be read <a href="https://www.fairmormon.org/conference/august-2005/debating-the-foundations-of-mormonism-the-book-of-mormon-and-archaeology">here</a>, Dr. Clark provides a helpful chart showing 60 specific items mentioned in the Book of Mormon, compared to what what 'known' about the ancient world at the time, many of which have been called 'blunders' by critics from the very beginning. As can be seen, the weight of the evidence was strongly against its authenticity. And this chart may be a bit generous, since it shows stone monuments and large cities as Confirmed in 1842. This is correct, but likely is due to the publication of Stephens and Catherwood's accounts of travels in Mesoamerica a few years previous, but which were unknown when the Book of Mormon was published in 1830. The status of its claims at that date would have been a better benchmark.<br />
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But the case was far from closed. Archaeology in the New World was practically non-existant at the time, so the apparent anachronisms lose much of their significance. The problems with this kind of evidence are obvious because of the amount of change newer discoveries can bring to overturn old beliefs, sometimes in just a few years. The chart looks very different when compiled in a more recent setting.<br />
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An objective observer should see that the tide of evidence has turned. Keep in mind that even this chart is now at least twelve years old, so its application is limited as well. We are pleased to see the status of horses go from Unconfirmed to Indeterminate, given the amount of research Daniel has done on this subject. That may be as good as we get. But some other topics are a bit confusing. These items seem to be relative to the Ancient Americas specifically, so we are surprised to see steel swords and brass plates. We will certainly be asking Dr. Clark about that. But also surprising and a bit disappointing is to see golden plates still at Unconfirmed, given what we have seen from sites like the Sacred Cenote at Chichén Itzá. Still, this chart is a good example of the perspective we should have on how supportive or damaging Archaeology should really be to our faith in the Book of Mormon.</div>
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<a href="https://www.fairmormon.org/conference/august-2005/debating-the-foundations-of-mormonism-the-book-of-mormon-and-archaeology">Click here to read the full presentation by Dr. John Clark, Wade Arden, and Matthew Roper</a>.</div>
Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-14703338904711472522017-02-28T22:29:00.000-08:002017-03-09T23:33:54.185-08:00Columbus and AmericaThe older ones among us may remember learning in school that Cristopher Columbus discovered America. Well, the Bahamas actually. Well, he just sort sailed into them accidentally. Now we all know that he didn't really 'discover' anything. It's debatable whether he even realized that he had discovered a new continent hitherto unknown to most Europeans. And it's no longer controversial to recognize that Viking explorers made it to this hemisphere much earlier.<br />
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But were there others to arrive here even earlier? Obviously, the Book of Mormon mentions three groups that arrived outside of the accepted historical record, but we are often alone in asserting its veracity. However, the idea that many groups from various lands may have sailed to the Americas throughout its ancient history is gaining greater acceptance outside of the Church. A video on the History channel's website entitled <i>Did Columbus Really Discover America?</i> gives a more realistic view of his accomplishments, while suggesting that many others may have arrived, in addition to the indigenous populations that were already here, including Israelites fleeing Babylonian destruction in 600 b.c. More of this 'complicated truth' about the discovery of America (as the video states) is coming to light and we believe the Book of Mormon's account will stand the test of time. We may just need to continue to have faith.<br />
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<a href="http://www.history.com/topics/exploration/christopher-columbus/videos/ask-history--did-columbus-really-discover-america">Click here to watch the video on history.com</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-36541045047313640312016-08-01T14:29:00.008-07:002016-08-01T14:40:37.806-07:00The legendary origins of yerba mate<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Because of his time as a missionary in Argentina, Daniel was introduced to the practice and culture of <i>yerba mate</i>, a type of tea infused from a South American plant. It's now something that we all enjoy. Many legends exist to explain the ancient origins of this drink, known to indigenous peoples of the areas that are now Argentina, Paraguay, and southern Brazil. A list of some of them is found on the website for <a href="http://guayaki.com/" target="_blank">Guayakí</a>, a brand of <i>mate</i> that is based in northern California. One comes from the Guaraní people:<br />
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<span style="color: #274e13; font-family: "helvetica neue" , "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">...the ancestors of the Guarani at one time in the distant past crossed a great and spacious ocean from a far land to settle in the Americas. They found the land both wonderful yet full of dangers; through diligence and effort they subdued the land and inaugurated a new civilization. There were two brothers that vied for leadership of the people: Tupi and Guarani. Eventually they feuded and divided the people into two separate nations. Each nation, or tribe, adopted the name of the brother who was its leader.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "helvetica neue" , "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif;">The Guarani tribes became a stable, God-fearing people who worked the land and became excellent craftsmen. They looked forward to the coming of a tall, fair-skinned, blue eyed, bearded God (Pa'i Shume) who, according to legend, eventually did appear and was pleased with the Guarani. He imparted religious instruction... </span></span><br />
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The similarities to major events in the Book of Mormon are remarkable: crossing an ocean, two competing brothers, nations named after them, nomadic vs. agricultural cultures, and looking forward to the arrival of a fair-skinned god. Admittedly, there is no information for the source of this legend and it is quite vague. But perhaps there is something at its foundation and the similarities can't all be coincidences. So how do we explain this? We very much doubt that that the writer of Guayakí's website chose to use the Book of Mormon as source material for this legend.<br />
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<a href="http://guayaki.com/mate/1894/Legends-of-Yerba-Mate.html" target="_blank">Click here to read more about this and other legends at Guayakí's site</a>.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaran%C3%AD_people" target="_blank">Click here for information on the Guaraní</a>.Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-85521552590239500842016-05-05T23:58:00.002-07:002016-05-06T00:01:34.416-07:00Other ideas about horses in Ancient AmericaMuch of Daniel's recent work and research has been in checking out evidence of horses in Ancient America. This is undoubtedly a controversial topic and one that many critics use against the Book of Mormon. His recent paper published in <i>BYU Studies Quarterly</i> shows some strong support for the validity of the Book of Mormon's claims and examines several possibilities that explain the apparent lack of horses as noted by the first European explorers. Some of this information is also in <i>An LDS Guide to the Yucatán</i>.<br />
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While we don't have the final answer, it's nice to know we aren't alone in suggesting that horses actually could have lived in the Americas and were known to ancient people, although that knowledge has been lost. Some indigenous cultures claim not to have lost this knowledge, but to have had it all along. The website <a href="https://tuesdayshorse.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Tuesday's Horse</a> has an article examining Native American claims that they have always had horses, even contradicting the standard story we all know. It also mentions several legends of ancient explorers from the Old World that found their way to the Americas and mentioned large animals such as horses among peoples in this new land. While these accounts are not fully supported, there are quite a few from all over the world. The scientific community has finally accepted that others from Europe beat Columbus across the ocean and some of these other accounts are gaining greater acceptance, even among the mainstream. The Book of Mormon's claims about three separate groups traveling across the oceans to the Promised Land seem much more plausible.<br />
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<a href="https://tuesdayshorse.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/indian-horses-before-columbus/" target="_blank">Click here to read Indian Horses Before Columbus</a>Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-8171464347154324422016-01-18T02:35:00.002-08:002016-01-18T02:35:36.378-08:00Changes to the Lift event<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Lift: A Conference to Lift the Human Spirit is still going on, but with a change of venue. The event is now scheduled to be held at the Sleepy Ridge golf club house, still on the same date, 20 February. This new location should be easier to get to, especially if there are any storms coming and it's a beautiful setting.<br />
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There has also been a slight change in the lineup of presenters. Daniel will be speaking at 2:40 in the afternoon. Tickets will now be $250 at the door, but $199 by registering early. As an added bonus, if you register this month and type in 'Daniel' as the promotional code, you will save an additional $100. So for a limited time, the entire conference cost is only $99. </div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2089973972887263297.post-30237974467808700602016-01-06T14:15:00.001-08:002016-01-06T16:27:09.423-08:00Big events coming this yearBecause of the new article in BYU Studies, we have been involved in more PR for the books recently. Daniel and Ironrod Media have been planning some events this year and he has been asked to be one of the authors speaking at Lift, a Conference to Raise the Human Spirit. It will be held on 20 February at Stein Eriksen Lodge in Deer Valley.<br />
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